User talk:Kevin W./Archive 2006

Rear Admiral (lower half)
I know the modern US Navy calls it that but didn't they (Star Trek) use the title of Commodore? Was just asking because I was looking to do the rank pages for teh TWOK era along your style (to keep with the formating). --Sneg 14:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The term Commodore was used from ENT up until TNG. Since then it's been the two Rear Admiral grades. Don't worry about doing the rank pages. I'm already planning on doing pages for all eras. Kevin W. 19:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Already started on one. Federation Starfleet Ranks - 2278 - Sciences but I haven't gotten much futher.  Whew those are alot of work. And also did a Commodore page. --Sneg 19:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I notice you're using the Kuro-RPG ranks. Good. Stick to using the ranks that have usable images. If there isn't an image for Master Chief Petty Officer of Starfleet, then don't put that down as a rank. TWOK enlisted ranks only go MCPO 1st Class, MCPO2, SCPO, CPO, Petty Officer 1st Class, PO2, Able Seaman. Also, I wouldn't use the Fleet Captain rank. There isn't enough evidence to suggest it exists.
 * Sorry about the MCPO thing - was just trying to keep with the formating of what you had already. Kuro-RPG Ranks are really pretty aren't they? :)  Classic Trek had at least two FCapt's - Pike and Garth. Memory Alpha --Sneg 20:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I know about Pike and Garth. It's just that they were the only FCapts seen ever, so there's no evidence to suggest the rank was continued.

Uniforms
Very last time I'll be checking (Cable modem gets returned to the Cabel company today!).

Yup they're from Spike's Star Trek page. (Man you have a good eye). I wasn't planning on doing ALL the uniforms just the basic ones. I know he (I assume Spike is a "he") has ALOT of uniforms on his site but I wasn't planning on doing all the versions, just a sample of one or two uniforms from each era (know what I mean?)  If you see one dress uniform from the Classic Era (you've seen them all) I don't think you need to see the same one in red and blue. :-)

Hopefully I'll be back on line by the end of the week. --Sneg 11:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Ranks
I just wanted to compliment you on the work you're doing with the ranks for the movie era. Very well done. I was wondering, though, if there was any plans on putting a description in for the various versions. For example, what the differance is between a "Dividion Commander" and a "Division Command Officer." Just curious. JusticeCEO 11:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Division commanders are the highest officers in their division. They can wear the white with a division slash or they can stick with the division color with white slash, which is what other officers in charge of the division wear. I'm thinking I may just merge the articles, though.
 * Or we could just add an article on how the ranks/divisions are read. Up to you, though.  I just want to make sure everyone that reads it will be able to understand it. JusticeCEO 11:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Rank Image Help
Sneg told me that you needed some help with the movie-ear rank images. Just let me know what you need and I'll try and get it done. You can reach me at JusticeCEO@optonline.net if you need to. JusticeCEO 11:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I uploaded the straight Cadet rates & ranks and then noticed that there was no page for them. If you want, I can add a page or you can just use these to make sure I did the naming right. JusticeCEO 14:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, because they're supposed to have a division slash indicating what division the cadet will be entering after they graduate. I should have told you. They do look good, though. The naming is correct. --Kevin W. 17:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's odd. I thought that there were some undecideds, like Savik, that just had the red with no stripe.  Oh well, they're there if we need them. JusticeCEO 17:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. According to this -, only the sleeve bands have division slashes. The shoulder straps are solid red. --Kevin W. 17:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Now that is interesting. I think we should stay with the stripes on both, though.  It makes for a more uniform look.  (Yes, the pun was intended. ;-) ) JusticeCEO 20:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. While this is a fanon wiki, we can't openly contradict canon. --Kevin W. 22:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I do see your point, but I am still partial to the explaination that the red shoulder stripes were for the undecided cadets. However, you are the rank guru and I will bow to your judgement. JusticeCEO 01:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It's finallt done!!!! Well, all except the Enlisted ranks for Cadets and Dividion Command Officers, but those aren't on the Kuro site. --JusticeCEO 15:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A-W-E-to the motherfrakking-S-O-M-E! Thanks for all of your help. I really do appreciate it. Now I just need to finish uploading all of the Bajoran ranks and it should be done. --Kevin W. 20:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

X (ST:Phoenix-X)
Kevin W., why have you erased my article and marked this page for deletion? --Hawku 03:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it should be within the main Phoenix-X article instead. --Kevin W. 03:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the heads up. --Hawku 03:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Categorys

 * Well this is for my future articles on this tar Trek wiki. - Captain Zman


 * sorry, I am still new here, I just became a member about 10 min ago and I am still learning about what to do on this website, so i gess you can delete the Category, friends? - Captain Zman
 * Don't worry. I wasn't trying to be mean. This page may help you in the future.


 * BTW, click the second button from the right on the toolbar to sign all of your talk page messages. --Kevin W. 23:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link now I now what to do here and who to do it. Captain Zman

Enterprise-Z

 * Do Not edit my articles in the future - Captain Zman


 * Stop it! - Captain Zman
 * Sorry, but as a contributing member of this wiki, I have an obligation to make sure that all of the articles are up to standard. I was merely making your article fit those standards. There are rules for formatting that must be followed. --Kevin W. 05:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Ranks
Kevin, what difference does it make if i use a rank pic on MY character pages that i uploaded as compared to one you uploaded AFTER i uploaded mine? (I don't mean to be combative but to me it makes no sense you changing the pic)--Logan MacLeod 23:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I only changed them because everyone here uses the Kuro-RPG ranks. They're the best. Period. It's simply a matter of uniformity. --Kevin W. 23:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * okay, i can understand wanting uniformity but the images were EXACTALLY the same and the non kuro ones i used were uploaded because there were none of that on the site (i searched) and as for them being the best that is YOUR oppinion (which i respect) not a definite fact.--Logan MacLeod 23:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * p.s. i don't mean my response to sound combative--Logan MacLeod 23:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm currently in the process of getting all of the ranks up. Considering how many rank eras, how many divisions and how many ranks there are, it's a long process. Just don't worry about the rank images. Tell me what images you need specifically and I'll get them taken care of. --Kevin W. 23:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Kevin, when you get a chance i need lieutenant (operations) pip image 2373 era. thx --Logan MacLeod 00:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Already been done. [[Image:2373 - LT (Operations).PNG]] --Kevin W. 00:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) --Logan MacLeod 01:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Another rank request (sorry) if possible i would like (if you can find it) a master chief petty officer insignia 2373 era on the operations background. thx --Logan MacLeod 04:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * [[Image:2373 - MCPO (Operations).PNG]] --Kevin W. 04:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, again --Logan MacLeod 04:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Demilitarized Zone links
I understand your point, I guess, but most of the links that you changed have no corresponding page here as yet. Like "Great Houses" or "House of Duras" or "William Ross" or "Founders" or "Klingon-Cardassian War". So why change them from Memory Alpha? Now there's a bunch of broken links.

Personally, I'd rather having them link to the pertinent information. Wouldn't you?
 * I'll try to post the pages here tomorrow. --Kevin W. 07:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

What?!

 * What the $%^&, why are you always changing my pages and stuff? STOP IT RIGHT NOW, these are my articles, so don't edit them unless you have my permission!!! - Captain Zman
 * Calm the #$%^ down. Your articles are not correctly formatted, and they need to be fixed. Also, show me anything in the Wiki rules that says I can't edit your articles. --Kevin W. 04:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's watch the language people. And Captain Zman - Kevin is correct. Your two articles were only moderately corrected for formating. Not every article here needs to link back to Memory Alpha.  Please look at www.wikia.com where this site is based/hosted from to learn how things work.  Also when signing your name please put two dashes (-) and four tildes (~) at the end of your comments.  That will automatically sign your name and date your messages. --Sneg 10:49, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, ok, I'm sorry about the language, but it is Fanon and I created the page/article, and well I think it's up to me to see who edits my pages. - Captain Zman
 * No, it's not up to you. This wiki is open to editing from anyone and you cannot dictate who can and cannot edit your pages. --Kevin W. 21:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And the only thing done was FORMATING which isn't changing your article only improving it. And I shall repeat Also when signing your name please put two dashes (-) and four tildes (~) at the end of your comments.  That will automatically sign your name and date your messages. --Sneg 01:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Dose Porthos look better now? --Captain Zman 01:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Why did you call me a @#$%^&*, I made the Enterprise (NX-01) a liite better?! --Captain Zman 06:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You changed the sidebar image, which was fine as is. --Kevin W. 01:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sooooooooo sorry! Ok, I think it looks much better, because Enterprise (NX-01) is in action, and in space. Your poicture is like that on like every Enterprise page, I thought it would look much better... --Captain Zman 01:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well It's not Vadelizum, all I'm doing is putting better pictures on the Wiki.
 * Ok, I'm sorry I hope we can forget all this, friends --Captain Zman 11:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * All I'm doing is adding more information on USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) and adding some pictures.
 * I am following Memory-Alpha's Format... --Captain Zman 11:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * How the #$%^ is adding links to Memory-Alpha vandalism!?!?!
 * I am doing this bacuse it's all red on the pages, so I put the links their! --Captain Zman 08:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Why do you want to delete Gorn --Captain Zman 11:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Language people! Let's keep it clean and civil!' --Sneg 13:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

User Info Box
Guess you like that I added this huh? :-) --Sneg 17:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed. --Kevin W. 17:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The new look

 * Well, No I did not removed a lot of important information, in fact I only set it up better and added more vary important information, like a introdution on the Main Page, and I added a picture to make it look more exsciting, and more fun and the Intro has more Info, and there's only 2 days left of August, so I had to update it, because what can we do in two days... Nothing! Why be so negative! Do you not like all new changes. So, I made it look better, thank you vary much! - Captain Zman August 29, 2006


 * Well It's not Vadelizum, all I'm doing is putting better pictures on the Wiki. making it look more apeling, and jsut becuse I am a really bad speller dose not mean I can get band from this wiki!!! - Captain Zman August 30, 2006


 * Well the main page has not changed in a while and the Did You Know? part is the same after a million years and it's the same with The Article of the Week
 * PS: Vadelizum means: willful or malicious destruction or defacement of public or private property.
 * So, I am only editing to the the wiki to make it look better, and it's Fanon so I will follow the format, BUT don't change or edit any of my creations!!! - Captain Zman August 30, 2006

Userboxes
You may have considered this already, but (in the spirit of being helpful) if you can get your userboxes in two columns side by side, it might look better (and take up less page space). Just a meant-to-be-constructive suggestion. --Sasorizaa1 20:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've tried, but because not all of the boxes are uniform in terms of size, it doesn't work. --Kevin W. 20:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe set it up as a table.. (and 25 of them?!?!?) --Sneg 21:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Does my large number of userboxes cause a problem for anyone? No. If they don't want to see them, then they don't have to visit my user page. Simple as that. --Kevin W. 23:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion
I don't understand why you're blanking what seems to be good content, like X (ST:Phoenix-X). Please give a reason when you tag something for deletion. Angela (talk) 18:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The issue with the X article was already resolved. Note the entry for it on this talk page. I don't provide reasons for deletion because I don't know how. Would you mind explaining? --Kevin W. 01:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * DO NOT delete an article when posting notice for deletion. Simply put the delete notice up and start a discussion on the talk page of the article.  That way the rest of the community can see the article to see if it is "worthy" (for lack of a better word) of being on STEU.  This is a "community" and the community needs to decide.  If the community thinks it's okay for Strawberry Shortcake to be accepted into our "Expanded Universe" then so be it (please if you hold anything holy in Star Trek - please don't add Strawberry Shortcake stuff)  :-)  --Sneg 23:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. The only delete-on-sites are articles of my own writing which I know need to be deleted. --Kevin W. 16:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Source References
Why delete references to canon sources, like (TNG: "Manhunt")? As long as they're not red-linked, I don't see the problem. It helps diferentiate canon from fanon in articles that contain both. --TimPendragon 21:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Because, if we continue to add the links, then we'd require adding the episodes, so we'd just end up being MA with fanon added. I say delete the links because there are links to the MA articles and they have the individual episode links. --Kevin W. 22:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Kevin, those references weren't links. They were just plain text references. --TimPendragon 22:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Making ranks?
Hey, Kevin, I've got a question, and I figure you're the best person to ask around here. What's the best way to go about making rank images like the KuroRPG ones? Is there a template somewhere? Do I just download a couple of the Kuros and modify them? Or do you generally start from scratch? I need to make ranks for the SEAL teams in PDN. Thanks! --TimPendragon 03:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't remember which program Kuro uses, but your best bet would be to ask Kuro about what program is used and get permission before modifying them. Unfortunately, Kuro isn't taking requests now, so you have to do them yourself, as my poor excuses for sleeve stripes show. Having only MSPaint blows. --Kevin W. 03:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ouch, been there. I'm sorry. And thanks for the advice! :-) --TimPendragon 03:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Rank images
I wanted to thank you for fixing up the extra image on my userpage -- check what i did with it. You really have done a great service to the steu site! consider this my nomination for you as a super-STEUdian! -- Captain M.K.B. 04:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * by the way, if you have any suggestions for fixing/color-correcting kuro images, let me know -- i've been photoshopping a lot lately, i could whip up some quick fixes, etc -- Captain M.K.B. 04:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think that'd be necessary. They look just fine as is, and besides, Kuro only allows limited alterations of the ranks. --Kevin W. 04:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Photomanips
(copied from User_talk:TimPendragon):

Considering I don't have good photo software at my disposal, would you mind making photomanipulation images for the REM characters? --Kevin W. 04:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd certainly be happy to try, Kevin. I might not be able to do them all, since my skills as a Photoshop Jedi are not yet full, but email me what you want, and I'll do my best. And you can always stop by the Star Trek Photomanipulation Archive forums and ask the gang there; they'd be more than happy to help as well. --TimPendragon 04:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

 * I'm sorry, I am still new at this whole wiki thing, but thanks for the tip! - Lee Kelso 8:30pm 10-6-06

Protection
Is there a reason why you protected your user page? Other than the vandalism by JackNebulax on Sept. 29th, I see no evidence of other, recent vandalism, which is usually the reason to protect a page. Even user pages shouldn't necessarily be protected without good reason (and not just because you happen to be an admin). --Sasoriza 22:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's all preemptive. Nobody else edits my user page except for me anyway. I just want to be sure that no vandals can touch it in the future. Besides, as you can see, my talk page is still open. --Kevin W. 22:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

There's no point in protecting Homesun's pages. Even if he won't get his act together, he deserves the benefit of a doubt, like anyone. He has at least until he's been banned (if he gets banned) to make some kind of improvement. Your blocking his pages is way too pre-emptive. If he gets banned, they'll be deleted. So chill. --Sasoriza 02:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Got it. Sorry. --Kevin W. 04:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Medals
Okay, I guess it behooves me to ask why you reverted the medals with the incorrect markup. I don't think you were planning to repeat the image. Is there another image that's supposed to go there, or you just don't want others working on anything you've worked on? --Sasoriza 21:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I explained it on the talk page of Award2. To put it shortly: Award1 is for awards which have both the ribbon bar and medal and fit into the order of precedence. 2 is for ones with the ribbon bar and medal which don't fit into the order. 3 is for ones that are just the ribbon bar. --Kevin W. 21:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thx for the ribbon for the Starfleet Citation for Conspicous Gallantry --Logan MacLeod 01:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. --Kevin W. 01:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Prentares Ribbon
 * 1) thanks for the correct (honsest no sarsasm) secondly while i do respect your interpretation of why the medal is given I am unaware of any cannon or novel reference to why the medal is granted. The Memory Alpha page gives no requirement of non combat nature. This said, however if you can tell me about a more appropriate medal of a combat nature I will very likely (99.99999%) certianty  replace the instances of this being awarded for combat/actions not directly related to combat but that took place in a combat situation.--Logan MacLeod 03:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind i found more appropriate medals that fit with the backstory of those instances better. No hard feelings I hope --Logan MacLeod 03:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

rank names

 * if i had had it to do over again, i would go entirely lower case -- for filenames and extensions. it would make things easier to form queries about rank graphics using a parser function. -- Captain M.K.B. 19:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This is not whining, and it is not badmouthing your work. This was a suggestion on how to make files more useful in a wiki framework. I'm talking about the way code works, not the quality of your work. The work here belongs to the collective community, and as an admin, you should know that.


 * As an admin, you should be willing to be mature and not freak out and personally accuse me of slander just because I have a knowledge of how lower-case variables are preferable in running a wiki parser function.


 * You've also asked me to not upload rank images before, with the explanation that you are the rank archivist. If the administration of this wiki would like to exclude users from contributing, it would save time, effort and discussion if you would tell new users first thing that they are not allowed to add articles rather than allowing them to waste their time.. -- Captain M.K.B. 20:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The only reason why I asked you to not upload the ranks is because I was in the process of trying to finalize all of the changes I had been making to the rank templates and individual rank pages. To have to add a whole extra set of ranks would have disrupted that. Such angry rhetoric is completely unnecessary as this is a misunderstanding. Please calm down. --Kevin W. 21:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

'''I gracefully withdraw. I have reviewed all of these arguments am going to withdraw my critisizm. You have a good grounds for what you're doing. I was trying to stand up for someone I didn't know alot about. Please accept my apologies for my crude language. Any insight as to what can be done to help this guy, please put it on my discussion page. I have thought about the arguements you have posted and agree. I defended the person in question because he is my friend. This is not a coward's note, but an apology and a request for info on the bigger picture. November 6.''' Cpt. David W. Please feel free to delete this after you have read it, but please put this note on the Captain Jamie A discussion section for me, because I don't know how.

Alternate Timeline

 * Moved from Talk:alternate timeline

Hey Kev, I'm just curious: What made you decide to put this one up? I know it was redlinked for a while--which article led to this one? Strictly curious. --Sasoriza 23:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The fact that it was the #1 most wanted page. That alone warrants adding it. I check the wanted pages page every now and then and if any article catches my fancy then I add it. --Kevin W. 00:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Never said it was unwarranted. Like I said... was strictly curious. --Sasoriza

Thumbs up!
Kevin gets this for his tireless, tireless work on uploading rank images and templates (even though I think he simply enjoys it a little too much...). I think it's safe to say, if anyone (practically) lives on here, it's this guy. So, for all the work you do, Kevin, that thumb's up for you! :) --Sasoriza 18:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC) (BTW, your talk page is getting rather long....)
 * I'm in my senior year in high school, and I've got only one class out of six that gives homework, and I get most of it done at school anyway. I've got too much free time. --Kevin W. 18:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

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Still waiting for a response. --Sasoriza 22:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)