User:Captainmike/talk page archive/2006

Hello.

Yes, hi, welcome to the database. I've seen the content that you've entered so far. Its great! --Luke80 16:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
I know I should have thanked you earlier, but thanks a lot for re-doing the Star Trek: Unity logo. It looks great. :D --Luke80 11:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Ship article names
The ships should only have their registries in their names if they share a name with other ships. Are you sure all of the ships you're moving are multi-name ships? --Kevin W. 19:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Not 100% but I am attempting to sort through a lot of references. For those ships I havent created a disambiguation page by the end of my work today, i will move them back. I am not doing so right now because there would be double redirects to fix, and I dont want to leave any of those should i need to leave my work.


 * Thanks for noticing though! If you wanted to help me, maybe we could start a policy page or user project description for those that wish to work on starship articles -- im trying to sort a lot of variables right now! :) -- Captain M.K.B. 19:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe we should form a "team" to concentrate on starships. Let me think on how best to do this and get back to you on it.  --Sneg 20:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a great idea -- im working a mile-a-minute right now, but i have a lot of experience sorting starship-style disambiguants over at memory alpha, so i hope that everything i'm up to will end up making sense.


 * just so you know, i'm going to try and set up a model for linking to all the ships we currently have here, and use basic ones to demonstrate how new starship articles should be formed.. once i've gone through all that i have on my plate, i'd be glad to make a list of different kinds of starship articles and request input on changes. -- Captain M.K.B. 20:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * like so: User:Captainmike\Starship and class improvement roster. please leave messages here.. -- Captain M.K.B. 03:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I am wondering why you moved the prometheus from (NX-59650) to (prototype) there are many other ships on this wiki with a registry number in their article name. why is it unacceptable for the prometheus?--Logan MacLeod 01:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * to quote kevin" The ships should only have their registries in their names if they share a name with other ships. Are you sure all of the ships you're moving are multi-name ships? --Kevin W. 19:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)" The Prometheus shares a name with the Nebula class Prometheus so hence it should have the registry number in its name if we can't do this then lets see about moving ti to USS Prometheus instead of USS Prometheus (prototype), okay?--Logan MacLeod 01:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I moved the Prometheus back to NX-59650 because of the entry for the Nebula class. also i don't mean to sound sintty or anything about this whole thing so if i do sorry. --Logan MacLeod 01:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see the Prometheus section of the community protal/talk for my response and solution to this "problem". --Logan MacLeod 22:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Fan film episode names
I see you moved a couple of the Star Trek: New Voyages episodes to "shorter" names. I've added alot of the fan film series info, myself, and have been working with the format of "Episode name (series episode)" as the article title. For example Return to Doomsday (TotSF episode) or Heavy Lies the Crown (Star Trek: Intrepid) or The Savage Empire (Starship Exeter episode) this is to keep a sense of formating. See Chapter/Episode listing Style If you can revert your redirects that would be great. I'd do it now but I'm turning in for the nigh. Thanks. --Sneg 04:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Found I have a really easy "click here" feature as Sysop to fix that.  :-)  --Sneg 04:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I just don't see any sense to the way you're doing it... if i wanted to link to an episode called "The Savage Empire", as an archivist here, i would type in The Savage Empire if i was a visiting reader, i certainly wouldn't be aware of the abbreviated identifier "STNV episode", and would type "The Savage Empire" into the search bar, yielding a null result... you seem to want to add a disambiguant where none is required -- this makes more work for both archivists and readers, and isn't necessary at all unless of course there were two episodes called "The Savage Empire", in which case it would be required.


 * I know this wiki was started without a lot of policy and communication skills, but i'm just trying to make you aware of a better way to do things -- i'd move all these articles back to better locations and suggest we adopt a more logical policy.. -- Captain M.K.B. 13:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * PLEASE STOP THE MOVING OF PAGES ON THIS ISSUE. Please allow discussion.  I know your intentions are good but at least allow the others to see this discussion and weigh in on it.  Thank you.  --Sneg 14:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * oh good .. the others! maybe someone will just delete them without telling me! no offense, but the sysops here have a lot to learn about running a wiki. --


 * And I have spoken to that sysop about his actions (not that he has replied) but I know me and Sasoriza are trying to have some sort of "order" here. (you should have seen how sloppy things were in the past) --Sneg 14:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * how come you didnt wait for me to discuss it before you reverted my changes then, hm? -- Captain M.K.B.

Defenders of the Federation edits
re: removed is this off topic?
 * Thanks for making my statement more consice. It was a bit long, your edit accurately reflected what I was trying to say. Also its good to hear that someone agrees with me about the "shantnerverse vs. mainstream continutiy" debate personally i think the whole thing is absurd I can't see how anyone who has read the books can say they don't fit together.--Logan MacLeod 02:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Challenger edits
Captainmike, you seem to be in a snit about something and taking it out on the USS Challenger (NCC-71099) and other articles. Please cease, and wait for whatever discussion needs to occur between you and the admins. In other words, stop throwing tantrums, and try to act like a mature adult. Thank you. --TimPendragon 18:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * sorry i got a little hot under the collar. regardless, i will continue to display my irrepressible amusement with life in the future here, but i'm sorry it bothered you. -- Captain M.K.B. 19:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

2390s ranks
Please stop posting them for now. There is a very specific system used for the ranks and I will post them up myself this weekend. --Kevin W. 23:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, i wasn't posting anymore -- i just needed two. think of it as a headstart for you. -- Captain M.K.B. 23:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, if you're only going to be using two of them, then forget it. It's just that the ranks have only (canonically) been seen in alternate timelines and I was hesitant to post them because they contradict my ranks (the 2383 ones). If you're only going to be using two, then it's fine. --Kevin W. 00:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I might end up fleshing out more sources during this era -- we can create the files on them still anyway and note that they are from a timeline which contradicts the 2383 system. I think i've seen a few pieces of fanfic out there that don't coincide with the timeline the 2383 ones come from. -- Captain M.K.B. 01:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Starship lists
Hey silly question/idea. Can you do some of the longer lists as two columns? (example - Nebula class starships - I'm sure there are longer ones but it's just an example - if it can't be done, no biggie - like I said it's just a thought) --Sneg 01:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * it seems possible but we'd have to add some table code. we could also put them all on one line separated somehow to take up less space -- like Galaxy class starships. -- Captain M.K.B. 02:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay just a thought. Wasn't sure what would be best.  Guess we'll leave it until we really need a plan.  :-)  --Sneg 14:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've tried this on Akira class now.. what do you think? -- Captain M.K.B. 14:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That maybe the way to go. Doesn't look like a long shopping list.  :-)  (Just what you need - more work right?)  --Sneg 19:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Recent comments
I'm not taking sides or anything, Mike, but do you really thinking sniping at Kevin is going to improve anything? --TimPendragon 17:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What did i do that you consider a 'snipe'? -- Captain M.K.B. 04:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was referring to your comment on Sneg's talk page about "nothing gets done around here." I'm no fan of Kevin's, but antagonizing him is only going to make things worse, imho. I wasn't aware that you'd been blocked, and I seriously doubt you did anything worthy of that. --TimPendragon 05:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

since no one here seems to be willing to copyedit
 * I think that's more than enough of your negative comments, Mike. You've made some valuable contributions here, and for that I thank you, but sniping is anti-constructive and creates a hostile atmosphere--one more example of how this wiki does not need to be like Memory Alpha. Save it for MA where it thrives and has a home. If copyediting is a problem for you, there are more polite ways of bringing it up. --Sasoriza 19:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I was about to make a similar comment, but I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who's not taking kindly to this behavior. And regarding the copyediting, yes, we all do a lot, and that's as it should be, but even more, we try to coach the original authors to correct their mistakes - it's the best way to learn. If we just swooped in and fixed every editorial nightmare without pointing it out to the author first, those authors that don't know any better would never improve. --TimPendragon 19:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

from User Talk:Sasoriza

Hey, Sasoriza, I just noticed something... Has Captain Mike been around since we admonished him against his "sniping" the other day? --TimPendragon 03:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * i have. sorry i disturbed you all so much. -- Captain M.K.B. 03:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Just didn't want you disappearing over something as (relatively) minor as that. --TimPendragon 03:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Rank names
Explain to me exactly how the rank image names make no sense. It's Year - Rank name appreviation (division). How does that not make sense? --Kevin W. 18:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think he sees that some of them have the extension of PNG and others are png and Wiki is VERY CASE sensitive. (and heck I know I can never remember the years)  --Sneg 19:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The only ones that have the .png extension are the TWOK ranks. All of the others are .PNG because I did them. JusticeCEO did the TWOK ranks and he saved them as .png. --Kevin W. 19:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * if i had had it to do over again, i would go entirely lower case -- for filenames and extensions. it would make things easier to form queries about rank graphics using a parser function. -- Captain M.K.B. 19:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Considering that I'm the rank archivist and considering that to redo it would mean you'd have to save several hundred files, some of which I'm the only one who has access to (the REM dress ranks) it wouldn't be such a good idea to try and badmouth all of the work I did. Quit your whining. --Kevin W. 19:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * well, i thought you'd say something rude like that if i made such a suggestion, so i tried to stay out of your way up to this point. the "open" idea of a wiki is that everybody could help the rank archivist if they wanted to, not just one admin interested in keeping everyone out of his work.. -- Captain M.K.B. 20:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice try hiding your "f-you" comment, Mike, but not fast enough. Alright, you two. That's ENOUGH . The way you both snipe at each other is absolutely ridiculous, and I'm so very tired of fourth-grade politics. --TimPendragon 20:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * eh, quit your whining. -- Captain M.K.B. 20:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Seriously, when have you offered a constructive comment that wasn't laced with sarcasm? You sound like a petulent thirteen year old. Your point about the lower case extensions is valid, but with your attitude, nobody's going to listen to you. --TimPendragon 20:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Kevin just left a message accusing me of whining. That sounds pretty petulant to me... I had simply made a suggestion. I'm sorry it interfered with his quest to cement his own position as the only person allowed to contribute rank information to this database. It really annoys me that he couldn't just be a good admin and say "your suggestion has merit but would be difficult to enact" (which is what i had already concluded, hence my making it as a comment here rather than trying to change what he's doing) -- no, he says "don't badmouth me... quit whining." He needs to stop being accusative and stop making it personal if he wasnts to administrate here. I've noticed lots of unprofessional language from the admins here so I've pretty much concluded that behavior is not regulated here, and it is often coming across as sarcasm.


 * This is a volunteer effort -- I have added to this database because I enjoy doing so, not because I want to impress its petty dictators. Don't accuse me of adding "rubbish", suggest improvements instead. Don't delete my contributions out of hand without trying to copyedit them first, and don't delete them with language like "there is no way in hell this is worth adding" -- don't personally accuse me of whining, don't take it personal when I say something looks set up wrong or doesn't make sense; try discussing it maturely first and I guarantee my attitude will improve. -- Captain M.K.B. 20:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * First off, I think you'll agree that I've done none of those things to you. Regarding your thoughts on certain admins, you're not far off. Kevin takes everything far too personally, and his reactions can be less-than-appropriate, but you pushing his buttons is only going to make things worse. --TimPendragon 20:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

You guys sound like you should be on a talk show. That's it, I'm calling Maury. --Sasoriza 00:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Revision history comments
What's up with this:


 * ''(diff) (hist) . . USS Lisbon (NCC-57355)‎; 10:58 . . Captainmike (Talk | contribs | block) (see, i'm adding additional content. please don't oppose my work just because you don't like the other site i worked on.)
 * (diff) (hist) . . N USS Lisbon (NCC-57355)‎; 10:57 . . Captainmike (Talk | contribs | block) (created article for Trekmania ship. i know admins are against this because i am from MA but don't delete without warning me - i intend to expand it)

? I don't understand your need to make negative remarks much of the time, but I certainly don't think they belong in a revision history. What gives? Come on Mike; that's just immature. Also kindly avoid making blanket statements about admins, and presume to "know" what we are or are not against. These kinds of comments are what stir up bad feelings and trouble. If you keep on making them, I can only assume you're intentionally trying to cause trouble. I don't think anyone wants that. --SasorizaA&bull;T 15:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, its a definitely a parody of your "i still think we should delete these Trekmania article" comments, which you put in a summary field. Just seeing how much i'd have to push to get you to bring your concerns directly to me.


 * Sorry if you preceived it as troublesome. I'm properly afraid of you, scurrying off now... -- Captain M.K.B. 16:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * So you're trying to push others? Anyway, look again, Mike. I said I still think these Trekmania stubs should be merged. That's deletion in favor of merging -- a valid point, as something for others to consider, and not complete deletion. I think the Trekmania stubs are worthy of inclusion; I just wonder if they'd work better on a page of their own. Don't make it into something personal. --SasorizaA&bull;T 17:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Comments
Please stop with the snide comments. You may disagree with the way I do things or how this wiki is run, but there's no reason to make comments like the ones you've been making. We're all trying to be civil here.-- Kevin W. Adm &bull; Tlk 17:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Mike, you really take things way to personally. What's got the burr under your saddle? --TimPendragon 17:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for backing me up on the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-Z) and Porthos! - User:Captain Zman

Ranks
With some adjustments to the rank era template, I've started to add the rest of the 2390s ranks. I've already finished the command and operations divisions. All that's left is sciences. -- Kevin W. Adm &bull; Tlk 00:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey
I know we've all been having some difficulties between us recently, but thanks for all of the work you're doing. I really appreciate it and I'm pretty sure everyone else does. -- Kevin W. Adm &bull; Tlk 19:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kevin, your appreciation means a lot to me. -- Captain M.K.B. 19:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)