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*'''Support''' per the reasons I listed on [http://stexpanded.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Jrofeta&oldid=152168#Suppression_of_redirects the July 9, 2009 User talk:Jrofeta#Suppression of redirects].--[[User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|Emmette Hernandez Coleman]] 21:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 
*'''Support''' per the reasons I listed on [http://stexpanded.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Jrofeta&oldid=152168#Suppression_of_redirects the July 9, 2009 User talk:Jrofeta#Suppression of redirects].--[[User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|Emmette Hernandez Coleman]] 21:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
   
::In addition, by not having these redirects we risk breaking peoples bookmarks, and links from outside S.T.E.U.. For more information on this see {{malpha|Help:Redirect#Renamings and merges}}, and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Redirect#When should we delete a redirect?]].--[[User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|Emmette Hernandez Coleman]] 20:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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::In addition, by not having these redirects we risk breaking peoples bookmarks, and links from outside S.T.E.U.. For more information on this see [[Memoryalpha:Help:Redirect#Renamings and merges]], and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Redirect#When should we delete a redirect?]].--[[User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|Emmette Hernandez Coleman]] 20:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
   
 
Looking back through the move log, in most of the recent cases where Jono has suppressed a redirect, it was because the original link was either a misspelling or improperly formatted. Therefore, no redirect would be needed because the page with the typo should be edited to link to the new page with the correct spelling. So, I see no problem in Jono's actions. Redirects should of course be kept when there is a commonly used ''alternate'' title for a page -- like [[Star Trek: New Voyages]] redirected to [[Star Trek: Phase II]], or [[James Tiberius Kirk]] to [[James T. Kirk]]. But why on earth would we keep mistakes? --{{User:TimPendragon/sig}} 03:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 
Looking back through the move log, in most of the recent cases where Jono has suppressed a redirect, it was because the original link was either a misspelling or improperly formatted. Therefore, no redirect would be needed because the page with the typo should be edited to link to the new page with the correct spelling. So, I see no problem in Jono's actions. Redirects should of course be kept when there is a commonly used ''alternate'' title for a page -- like [[Star Trek: New Voyages]] redirected to [[Star Trek: Phase II]], or [[James Tiberius Kirk]] to [[James T. Kirk]]. But why on earth would we keep mistakes? --{{User:TimPendragon/sig}} 03:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
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:::There can be links in edit summaries, [http://stexpanded.wikia.com/index.php?title=DS17&action=history click here] for an example. you can put links in edit summaries the same way you can put links anywhere else on the site, with <nowiki>[[double brackets]]</nowiki>.--[[User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|Emmette Hernandez Coleman]] 20:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:::There can be links in edit summaries, [http://stexpanded.wikia.com/index.php?title=DS17&action=history click here] for an example. you can put links in edit summaries the same way you can put links anywhere else on the site, with <nowiki>[[double brackets]]</nowiki>.--[[User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|Emmette Hernandez Coleman]] 20:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::::You're correct; I must have been thinking of something else. That ''still'' doesn't answer my question: why would we, or any encyclopedia, decide to keep typos and formatting mistakes? --{{User:TimPendragon/sig}} 20:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::::You're correct; I must have been thinking of something else. That ''still'' doesn't answer my question: why would we, or any encyclopedia, decide to keep typos and formatting mistakes? --{{User:TimPendragon/sig}} 20:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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:::::These are redirects, not article text, so the normal reasons against typos and formatting mistakes don't apply. My main reason for wanting these redirects is, by not having these redirects we risk breaking peoples bookmarks, and links from outside S.T.E.U.. For more information on this see [[Memoryalpha:Help:Redirect#Renamings and merges]], and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Redirect#When should we delete a redirect?]].
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:::::About edit summaries,in the example edit summery: "''moved [[USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F)]] to [[USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) (Star Trek: Renaissance)]] (There is another Enterprise-F, [boldness mine]'''[[USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) (Sagan-class)]]'''''". "USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) (Sagan-class)" is the former title of [[USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) (Sagan class)]], but because there is no redirect from the former title to the current one, the bold red-link in the edit summery does not work. The bold red-link is an invitation to to create an article, but it would be a duplicate article. Edit summaries can not be changed, so the link can not be modified to work.
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:::::Re "''[P]eople don't habitually go through old versions of pages for links to ''other'' pages''": That's a good point. I still think it's worth keeping these redirects so links on old versions of pages will work, but I don't fell as strongly about it, though I never felt that strongly about it in the first place--[[User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|Emmette Hernandez Coleman]] 03:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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The issue here is weather we should have redirects from former titles? This discussion is, to some extent, a contuation of --Emmette Hernandez Coleman 21:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

In addition, by not having these redirects we risk breaking peoples bookmarks, and links from outside S.T.E.U.. For more information on this see Memoryalpha:Help:Redirect#Renamings and merges, and Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Redirect#When should we delete a redirect?.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman 20:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Looking back through the move log, in most of the recent cases where Jono has suppressed a redirect, it was because the original link was either a misspelling or improperly formatted. Therefore, no redirect would be needed because the page with the typo should be edited to link to the new page with the correct spelling. So, I see no problem in Jono's actions. Redirects should of course be kept when there is a commonly used alternate title for a page -- like Star Trek: New Voyages redirected to Star Trek: Phase II, or James Tiberius Kirk to James T. Kirk. But why on earth would we keep mistakes? --TimPendragon AdmHail 03:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I listed some reasons why we would keep mistakes on the July 9, 2009 User talk:Jrofeta#Suppression of redirects, but that section of the page is somewhat cluttered, so I'll amend my vote (for lack of a better term) with reasons we, in my opinion we should keep mistakes. I want to make something very clear. Jono is not on trial. Jono did nothing wrong. He had a reasonable viewpoint, and acted on it in a way in a way that was reasonable, not clearly disruptive, broke no rule, and did not go against consensus.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman 22:05, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Fine, you say you think we should keep redirects leftover from correcting a mistake. I gathered that. I'll ask again: why do you think we should keep them? That seems highly illogical. The only reasons you have on Jono's talk page, that I can find in all that, are because it might break links in edit summaries and old versions of pages. I fail to see why that should be a concern, because people don't habitually go through old versions of pages for links to other pages, and edit summaries do not actually link at all. --TimPendragon AdmHail 22:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
There can be links in edit summaries, click here for an example. you can put links in edit summaries the same way you can put links anywhere else on the site, with [[double brackets]].--Emmette Hernandez Coleman 20:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
You're correct; I must have been thinking of something else. That still doesn't answer my question: why would we, or any encyclopedia, decide to keep typos and formatting mistakes? --TimPendragon AdmHail 20:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
These are redirects, not article text, so the normal reasons against typos and formatting mistakes don't apply. My main reason for wanting these redirects is, by not having these redirects we risk breaking peoples bookmarks, and links from outside S.T.E.U.. For more information on this see Memoryalpha:Help:Redirect#Renamings and merges, and Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Redirect#When should we delete a redirect?.
About edit summaries,in the example edit summery: "moved USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) to USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) (Star Trek: Renaissance) (There is another Enterprise-F, [boldness mine]USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) (Sagan-class)". "USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) (Sagan-class)" is the former title of USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-F) (Sagan class), but because there is no redirect from the former title to the current one, the bold red-link in the edit summery does not work. The bold red-link is an invitation to to create an article, but it would be a duplicate article. Edit summaries can not be changed, so the link can not be modified to work.
Re "[P]eople don't habitually go through old versions of pages for links to other pages": That's a good point. I still think it's worth keeping these redirects so links on old versions of pages will work, but I don't fell as strongly about it, though I never felt that strongly about it in the first place--Emmette Hernandez Coleman 03:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)