Hey tim, I just wanted to apologize for being erratic lately. I fully admit wrongdoing on the situation, and now I see your side. I totally agree that what Dragon did was wrong, and I promise to take full action against it. Next time, I promise to enforce rules that say we cannot not use other people's fanon. And when we use images, we attribute the artist in a appropriate manner and put down all the copyright information. If you don't mind, would you please remove the warnings you have put up. In return, I promise plagiarism will be avoided in the future.
ElectricSupernova 12:57, March 17, 2018 (UTC)ElectricSupernova
Absolutely not. Actions have consequences, and every fanfic author and creator of fan art deserves to be warned. Furthermore, you've instituted a coverup on Memory Gamma, deleting all these conversations, *without* punishing Dragonboy. You're not only incompetant, complacent, and underhanded, you're a coward who's afraid of a backlash, and in no way genuine in your remorse. --TimPendragon (talk) 14:45, March 17, 2018 (UTC)
I think we should just go with "Starfleet (Earth)" since AFAIK it was only referred to as just "Starfleet" in ENT. Plus, the standard Starfleet article doesn't have "Federation" or "UFP" or anything of the sort as a prefix.
Well, Memory Alpha has them as one article, Memory Beta splits them into "Federation Starfleet" (with a redirect from "Starfleet") and "United Earth Starfleet."
If MA has it as one article, we can leave it be. If we do split, I'd rather use the proper name for United Earth Starfleet at least, rather than a disambiguation in parenthesis, which should really only be used if we don't have another choice.
I'm trying my best to create these articles but it seems the only fanon sources we have are an anime crossover and a High School Musical crossover. I almost feel like re-canonizing AbramsTrek in the REM universe just to have something else to add to those articles.
It seems like some articles had fanon info in the past which was removed. For example, Penthara IV previously had fanon info but (and I still don't understand why he did it) Jay removed all of the Swiftfire info from a ton of pages.
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure why he did that either. He's got his own Swiftfire wiki he's working on, and it seems like he's restructuring his series, so... whatever, I guess.
Only thing I might suggest about the template... could it be a little smaller? It kinda hits you right in the face when you load an article. Doesn't need to be quite as obstrusive as "red alert" messages like "Speedydelete". No biggie either way I guess.
I really wish he hadn't done that. While I completely understand the desire to work outside of the constraints of this wiki (especially since there is a lot of random stuff here lacking in quality) it's quite disruptive to suddenly uproot a series that had such a significant presence.
Yeah, I was mainly thinking governments only, but we don't know the name of the Kzinti government for example. It's been called the Kzinti Hegemony sometimes and the Kzinti Patriarchy at others. Then there's older races like the Preservers and Progenitors who were galaxy-spanning civilizations, but we don't know what they called their government, if anything.
I think the template should include anything that's at least as big as a few star systems. If it's a single planet "empire" that annexes a neighboring system, I don't think that's big enough.
They're not defunct, though. They still exist. The United Earth is still the planetary government of Earth, the Vulcan Confederacy is still the planetary government of Vulcan, etc. They didn't stop to exist when they joined the UFP, just like the US and the UK still exist even though they're members of the United Nations.
Well, let me put it to you this way: what if we define it as powers having influence on the galaxy? Since they're no longer independent, their authority is delegated to the Federation. Ergo, they should be listed as defunct.
Either that or we need to add a new category to the template to list United Earth, the Andorian Empire, etc. etc.
The High Command ceased to exist during the fourth season of Enterprise. It's explicitly stated to have been disbanded in "Kir'shara." There's no canonical name for the present Vulcan government. Check out Memory Beta for some options, but there's nothing definitive as far as canon is concerned, and like many such things, different fan sources may use different names.
I ask because ENT: "United" mentioned the High Command as still in operation.
As for extra-galactical powers, IDK. The template does say Milky Way powers. I think we should leave it that way. After all, 99% of Trek does take place in the MW and we do have template size concerns to worry about.
Take a look at it now and see what you think. Given how significant the Archein and Kelvan and races from other galaxies can be in their respective fictions, it seemed appropriate to me. But if you'd really rather not, we can take it back out.
Understood. At least most of it is sourced stuff, so it's legit, even if the authors aren't working on their projects any more. As for clean up... yeah, we can tackle that down the road as we have time.
Hopefully we can drum up some more editors... it's been far too quiet around here for far too long.
Bajor itself is strategically important because of where it's located and because of the wormhole, but the Bajorans themselves are not a galactic power. If they meet the criteria, then we might as well put Halka or Ghioghe on the template because of the importance of their dilithium reserves. This is for powerful, interstellar governments
Yeah, but the Halkans didn't feature in an entire series. The Bajorans did. I think they warrant inclusion as a special case. Furthermore, recall that earlier you said that governments that span multiple systems count. Bajor did colonize other systems (or annex Bajoran refugee colonies post-occupation) which I think fits that criterion.
The fact that they were the focus of Deep Space Nine the series is immaterial. I can't think of a good, in-universe reason to include them in a list of "interstellar powers." Yes, they have a couple of offworld colonies, but they don't claim multiple star systems or sectors of space as their own. They're still an infant planetary government struggling in the aftermath of the occupation.
At this point, I would say put it up to a vote, but I'm not sure if there's anyone else around but you and me lol...
Shouldn't the groups like the Krenim and the Devore have their governments listed separately? If not, I don't think they should be listed on the template. I think it should be restricted solely to major governments.
Ok, well, I'm curious about ones like the Alsurans and the Krenim, since they don't look like they are linked to by any articles other than the ones on the template. Whenever I've been adding articles from the wanted pages list, I've been making sure to add a fanon section. Should those ones be included if they don't have fanon info? I think we should just leave them out and re-add them if they get some kind of fanon info.
I know there's plenty of fanfic out there dealing with the Krenim, for example. We just don't have any here yet. The articles aren't doing any harm, and they'll have fanon data eventually. I put them on the template because I knew about them, and I'll probably go hunt down some fan data to include.
You know, stuff like this is why we could really use some more editors. It's almost as if this is a two-man operation here, and it's kind of hard to come to a consensus on matters when you and I disagree...
With things like this, it's stuff I know is out there, but I'm not that well-versed in. I do know it exists, so I'm putting in the framework. Then I, or other editors, know to look for it. Having the Vegan Tyrrany redlinked in Wantedpages for a while isn't a bad thing, really.